Thursday, May 4, 2017

SGV Tribune: Here’s all of the guns the ATF took from Pasadena Police lieutenant’s Sierra Madre home


Here’s all of the guns the ATF took from Pasadena Police lieutenant’s Sierra Madre home (San Gabriel Valley Tribune link): More one third of the firearms seized in February from the home of Pasadena Police Lt. Vasken Gourdikian cannot be sold to civilians by gun shops in California, according to a review of the list of weapons by this newspaper.

These handguns can only be purchased by law enforcement officers, or through a private party, because the models do not appear on California’s “roster” of guns approved for sale to the general public.

Agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives raided Gourdikian’s Sierra Madre home in February, taking away a total of 61 guns and gun parts, including at least 18 pistols that were “off roster.”

Officers can sell off-roster weapons to civilians, but only if they are not flipping the firearms to make a profit. An ATF notice sent to Southland law enforcement agencies in March called these sales “a growing trend” in the Los Angeles area.

(Later): California’s already limited and constantly shrinking roster of approved guns has created a high demand, according to C.D. Michel, a California attorney whose clients include the National Rifle Association of America and the California Rifle and Pistol Foundation.

“The only guns that the retailers can buy in this state from the manufacturers are models that are a couple of years old,” Michel said.

A seller might make hundreds or even thousands of dollars in profit off a single off-roster sale.

“The retailer can only sell an off-roster gun to a law enforcement officer, but the law enforcement officer can sell it to a private party,” Michel said. “It’s not illegal if you buy them for yourself and you go out and shoot it and decide you don’t like it, and you want to sell it. You just can’t have the intention to sell it to someone else when you buy it.”

The seller has to do the transaction through someone with a federal firearms license to avoid breaking the law, but too many sales in a short period might also trigger an investigation.

Though Gourdikian had 56 guns seized, not all necessarily relate to the crime being investigated, Michel said. Agencies sometimes pad their numbers by seizing an entire collection, he added.

“They say if you sell one gun, your entire inventory is contraband,” Michel said.

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44 comments:

  1. When you look at the death rates in the United States you have to wonder why so much energy goes into gun control when that number is so far down on the list of deaths. If law enforcement would only enforce the laws that are on the books now the death by firearms rate would go down. When looking at the figures it was interesting to see the death rate from sugar, now that's a number to get concerned with.

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    1. Gun violence in the United States
      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually. In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens), and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens). These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides, 21,175 suicides, 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent". Of the 2,596,993 total deaths in the US in 2013, 1.3% were related to firearms. The ownership and control of guns are among the most widely debated issues in the country.

      In 2010, 67% of all homicides in the U.S. were committed using a firearm. In 2012, there were 8,855 total firearm-related homicides in the US, with 6,371 of those attributed to handguns. In 2012, 64% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides. In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicides, and 11,078 firearm-related homicides in the U.S. In 2010, 358 murders were reported involving a rifle while 6,009 were reported involving a handgun; another 1,939 were reported with an unspecified type of firearm.

      Firearms were used to kill 13,286 people in the U.S. in 2015, excluding suicide. Approximately 1.4 million people have been killed using firearms in the U.S. between 1968 and 2011.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

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    2. To the guy who posted yesterday about outlawing box cutters in art class at Virginia Tech - tell that one to the parents of the innocent students who got killed.

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  2. What are the odds that this guy gets his job back with the PD and nothing happens to him?

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    1. If it was a local investigation I'd say the odds are pretty good. But with the Feds being involved? All bets are off.

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    2. he'd be better off shooting an unarmed half asleep man in the back as he crawled out of his car

      he'd get his job back and be promoted

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    3. Properly armed Deadeye would have blown the back of that car off.

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  3. Amazing to think that this went on under everyone's nose ... and from someone who was so high ranking and high profile ... terribly sad for everyone involved.

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    1. The only role the City of Pasadena played in this investigation was to not say anything about it.

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  4. Death is never easy to understand. Dying fast or slowly is our final stage in life. The horror of it all gets a different reaction from everyone. Firearms are understandably an emotional issue that gets addressed in many ways as is demonstrated here today. But, as 7:42 has pointed out, the numbers for death by guns are pale by comparison of other deaths in the U.S.A. Do your own search, look up the top 10 leading causes of death or even top 20. When your looking at hundreds of thousands of death try to be realistic. Shouldn't we all be getting behind a set of laws that really do protect us and are enforced? Bringing guns up as an issue here is a good start and an issue that really needs to be looked at from all sides.


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    1. HUHHHH? this is issue is NOT about gun violence. the issue is about police officers being given special privilege to buy off-roster weapon. the issue is these offices then potentially selling these off-roster weapons illegally. if it turns out that this officer was acting as an illegal arms dealer, what kinds of people do you think he was selling these weapons to?

      this whole situation stinks of the pasadena pd being run like a mob.

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  5. 8:12am. What are you talking about? I find it terribly sad, that a person's privacy and rights are under "fire", from our dishonest governments "murky" laws.
    It is bad representation and corrupt attorneys and judges that are spiraling out of control, not guns.

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  6. The White House is hosting the National Day of Prayer in the Rose Garden.
    Thank you Mr. President.

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    1. I wonder what a billionaire pussy grabber prays for.

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    2. To steal the health care of 14 million people, of course.

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    3. Separate church and state!!!!!

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    4. Now church and state don't have to be separated. Just had the best news in months - guest on NPR was talking about the 35 psychiatrists who have publicly stated that Trump is mentally ill enough that he poses a real danger to the American people (with his ability to start a nuclear war, inability to tell truth from fiction, etc) and there are more people than we know working to get him out of office based on the 25th amendment - his inability to for the office. Those of you who said to give him a chance - yup!

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    5. Pray on your own time.

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  8. Holy moly, Batman! This collection of shootin' irons doesn't look like what the average gun nut would have hanging in his man cave but looks more like what a gun runner would be handing out to a platoon of right wing paramilitary end of times nut jobs. Whether he's doing it for profit or "patriotism" is debatable. That a private citizen wearing a badge would have this kind of fire power is very disturbing.

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  9. Those guns are what a private citizen needs to fight agains those average gun nuts, you know them, there trying to push there paramilitary right wing ideas onto you and I.

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    1. Great. Civil War. What an opportunity for gun merchants.

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  10. What the Government can't protect you from then you should be able to have the tools to protect yourself from. There are some cities where the PD won't get to you for 45 minutes, by then your body will be cold. There are many ways to protect your family but some of the ways are very messy, again, lets be realistic here by knowing exactly what we're dealing with.

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    1. It would be sad if it turns out the police who are supposed to protect us have been selling high powered guns to those who want to do us harm.

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    2. The Feds are looking into that possibility, 12:07. Don't blame the messenger.

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    3. 11:09 - I know we laugh about the Sierra Madre cops, but it takes them about 2 minutes to answer a call, if there is one. Do you actually know anyone who needed to fend off the bad guys? I've been to too many funerals because of the easy access to guns (7). It's heartbreaking when it is a kid. What is our fascination with firearms?

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  11. 11:20, I prefer to take life in as positive a manner as possible. I would like to think the police that sell guns sell to the good guys who will protect us from the Doom Sayer Nut Cases that form militias or the sniper in the bell tower. We fear that the most that we don't understand.

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    1. Really? The police think they need to arm a secret militia?

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    2. 11:20 - I hope you were just kidding. Who might the good guys be that the police are selling to?

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  12. 11:51, an individual does not make a Police Department. You sound like the type that tries to start trouble or are troubled. You should get out a little, get a little fresh air, read something about the good being done in the world. Maybe you should think about volunteering to help those more needy, maybe meals on wheels might be something you might like. Try doing something positive every day, even if it's just some positive words to someone.

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    1. Huh? Questioning the rather bizarre claim that the police need to arm the good citizens of Duckberg deserves all that?

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    2. That is pretty weird, 12:07.

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    3. Undercover troll

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  13. 12:07 is right. What this country needs is a positive attitude. And more guns.

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  14. I agree 12:07pm. That blogger should stop self medicating and seek the American Healthcare re-do.
    Contributions to society come from selfless individuals not attention seekers.

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    1. Some of the craziest stuff I've read in quite a while, 12:51. Congrats.

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  15. Why think the police would arm the bad? And no, we don't need more guns just proper training and keeping guns away from those who should be on medication. Interesting words and thoughts some of you have here.

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  16. 1:32pm. I know too many, where having a gun would have saved family lives and defense against rape.
    Sierra Madre is pretty rural compared to surrounding cities, Sierra Madreans are fortunate to have their own PD.

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  17. Tattler troll gets trumped again! Crooked chosen one linked to pedophile the troll always links to Clinton:

    http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/sex-slavery-lawsuit-links-trumps-mar-a-lago-to-pedophile-ring-report/

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  18. He was a boy scout leader. The guns were clearly meant to be secretly sold. They sure did drive nice, new cars. Enough of the blue wall of secrecy. Nobody else who'd done this would be protected and paid a salary while on leave. Shameful.

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  19. More like 24 million 9:05.

    An additional 43,000 deaths per year for treatable conditions. That's 198 per year per House member who voted for to repeal ACA. But don't worry. I'm sure their reptilian consciences won't bother them.

    Looks like the Republicans finally got the death panel they feared. And it is them.

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    1. The Dems will crucify them for this. There won't be a single GOP Congresscritter left in California.

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  20. Most of those off roster guns are extremely popular and owned already by tens of thousands of Californians, A Springfield .45 or Smith and Wesson .38 are off roster than there is a problem with the roster. Hilariously, guns on the roster are all tactical rifles.

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