Friday, May 26, 2017

Big SCAG Fail: The 710 Tunnel Is Dead (For Now)

The losers.
Mod: Just in case you unhappily believe citizen action does not work, and that nobody can ever hope to successfully fight the insane excesses of government, yesterday the proverbial stake was administered to the dark and unwholesome heart of the 710 Tunnel. Sometimes the good guys do win, and the planning integrity and environmental health of local communities can take precedence over the needs of our internationally beholden state and federal shipping and transportation bureaucracies. This is not to say that some unfortunate group or thing won't attempt to revive the tunnel someday, but for now it is quite officially dead. Here is how the Pasadena Star News is reporting it.

Metro takes 710 tunnel project off the table, will use money for local street fixes (Pasadena Star News link): In a historic vote, the governing board of the Los Angeles County Metropolitan Transportation Authority unanimously rejected an extension of the 710 Freeway on Thursday, saying building a multibillion-dollar tunnel would not be feasible.

The 12-0 vote removes the 6.3-mile freeway tunnel from the list of alternatives, the final option for closing the 710 Freeway gap from El Sereno through South Pasadena and Pasadena. The freeway extension has been on the state’s master freeway list since 1959.

Caltrans is expected to vote on the car-tunnel project in 2018, after it completes a final environmental impact report released in March 2015.

“This is a day that will go down in the record books,” said board member and Glendale City Councilman Ara Najarian, who has opposed a surface and tunnel freeway extension for decades. He was often the lone “no” vote on the Metro board.

On Thursday, the anti-tunnel sentiment swept through the board, taking in newly elected representatives from the county, the city of Los Angeles and cities of the San Gabriel and San Fernando valleys.

Mod: The rest of this article is available at the link above. In the way of some celebratory comic relief, it was not too long ago that SCAG's very own Hasan Ikhrata was calling the 710 Tunnel a done deal and that those who were struggling to defeat this boondoggle needed to simply vanish. Again, from the Pasadena Star News (link).


Mod: Has there ever been a government official more consistently wrong than the always absurd Mr. Ikhrata

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55 comments:

  1. Traffic on the east bound 210 is constant bottle neck in Pasadena as it approaches the existing tunnel. 4 lanes go down to 2 lanes. Just terrible. All because drivers need to continue East on 210 or west on 134 since there is no thruway to go south. Sure, all the anti 710 tunnel people are happy but those that hit that daily bottleneck get to deal with the traffic backup. Two sides to every story. Maybe Caltrans could widen the existing tunnel at this location and give us world class freeway system?

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    1. Anybody who spends a few hours every day on the 210 knows what BS the comment above is. Can you imagine if the 710 freeway hole had been built, and all of that diesel burning truck traffic out of the ports had been funneled into the San Gabriel Valley? The effect would have been disastrous, both in radically increased traffic and environmental devastation.

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    2. The 210 is a parking lot.

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    3. Right. So let's dump another freeway's worth of traffic on the 210. That will fix everything. How much to we pay these idiots again?

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    4. 6:38, you may want to brush up a bit on reading comprehension (ability to read and understand what was written). 4 lanes merge into 2 lanes = bad. And, yes, I do spend time on 210 and fully understand how bad it is. Guess those diesel fumes on 605 are ok cause they're not in your neighborhood? Modern world has pollution. Ask your parents for help understanding.

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    5. Dear 7:49
      Please consider this fact:
      Much eastbound 210 traffic is going that route to get to the 605 and continue southbound. Imagine if the 710 extension where in place. Much of that eastbound 210 traffic would continue south on the 710. This would help alleviate some EB 210 congestion. Now, now, now, don't explode yelling at me that the tunnel would bring MORE traffic to EB 210, it would, but the 710 SB tunnel would help balance that load. Got it ?

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    6. No explosion necessary. Your comment is laughable double-talk.

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    7. "Guess those diesel fumes on 605 are ok cause they're not in your neighborhood?"

      I always love that argument. Cancer caused by diesel smoke needs to be spread around equally because that would be so much more democratic. It is hard to believe idiots such as 8:22 actually exist.

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    8. 8:22 - Would you consider putting port freight from the slave labor states of the far east onto trains instead? Then we could get those diesel burning death machines off the 605.

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    9. "Equal cancer rates for all!" Did Barbara Messina come up with this wonderful idea?

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    10. 10:48, in so many words, yes, that is what she said.
      I've looked for the quote online, but no luck. It was in a story on the tunnel in the San Marino Tribune, about 15 years ago.

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    11. What a sweet lady.

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    12. A later statement by Barbara Messina, in the last few years, in a radio interview was that the toll tunnels ventilation system would produce "virgin air!" This laughable statement begs the question as to what about the air OUTSIDE the tunnels with the resulting thripleing and quadrupling of the traffic on the existing 710 stubs in Pasadena and Alhambra/Los Angeles border?!?!?

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  2. The need for several tunnels to pierce though the mental fog people have come to accept concerning a much needed transportation corridor is all wrapped up is spending money on pet projects that will result in surface street congestion already being experienced. That is he reason Freeways were designed and created this is the same B.S. people in the 1950's used to try and stop progress of having Freeways created in the first place.

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    1. Los Angeles County used to have a great light rail system that transported millions to work everyday. That was destroyed and replaced with an environmentally devastating freeway system that has become nothing more than a hopeless daily misery we all have to endure. Sorry bureaucrat, but please take your pencils and shove them into that special place where the sun never shines.

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    2. Too bad we can't digress instead of progress. If we stopped having so many damn babies we would not need to expand the freeways to 10 lanes wide. Geezus peoples.

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    3. It's a process.

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    4. So your answer to the question is population control? We need solutions, not narrow mindedness. Athens managed to build a metro system in an extremely earthquake prone area, even having to stop every 50 feet because they ran into ancient archaeological sites. All this with a corrupt and inept government. And they used engineering firms from Pasadena. What's our excuse? That we might disturb the nesting patterns of the indigenous lizards? Or the spotted sierra madrean geezer erectus?

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    5. There's a long history of corruption regarding public transportation in Southern California.
      Solutions are obvious and in reach.

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    6. 8:28 - a good first step would be aborting Lexus drivers.

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    7. You are on to something, 7:14 am! So how did you vote - to legislate a lack of contraceptive care for poor and low income families? I should hope not ...

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    8. Metro needs to gentrify the freeways. They could start by giving us full access to 70 mph drive thru latte' shops.

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    9. 9:01 -- I think that is already a part of SCAG's proposed "Strategic Visioning Sustainability Caffeinating Scoping Process."

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    10. Listen up morons - any of you that think the earth is an INfinite source of anything you want and we are all just entitled to take take abuse and take, are not quite evolved as far as some. That's the problem. Think petri dish? Anyone ever read Daniel Quin "Ishmael"? I dare you -

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    11. My. Grumpy Dude is back.

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    12. I think he needs a laxative.

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  3. From Steven Greenhut:

    This is too good to be true. I have a habit of comparing myriad local and state planners to Soviet planners, given that their ideas seem so similar at times. Recently, I wrote a column about the planners at SCAG, the appropriately named Southern California Association of Governments. I say appropriately, because a dictionary definition of scag is heroin, and these folks are addicted to central planning and tax dollars.

    Well, the new head of SCAG, replacing Mark Pisano, is Hasan Ikharata. Check out this from his bio: “Hasan also worked abroad for the Government of USSR, Moscow Metro Corporation, where he conducted subway ridership forecasting, engineering design and analysis of TDM programs for the Moscow Subway system. Hasan holds a bachelor’s degree from Moscow University in the former Soviet Union and master’s degree in Civil Engineering from the University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) and is a Ph.D. candidate in Urban Planning from the University of Southern California (USC) in Los Angeles.”

    http://www.ocregister.com/2008/01/07/no-joke-scags-new-leader-was-a-soviet-planner/

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    1. Obviously Hasan is spending a goodly portion of his $400,000 yearly compensation on groceries.

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  4. Donald Trump's Approval Rating Sinks As White Voters, Republicans Withdraw Support
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-apos-approval-rating-190300259.html

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    1. Yeah, yeah, and a guy who attacks a reporter gets elected. Why do you trust a poll?

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    2. I haven't seen any polling on this yet, but I think the reason so many people hate Trump is because they now realize that he is a traitor.

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    3. I wish it were not so, but the stupidest among us are now running the country.
      We live in a bubble here in California, that doesn't clearly show the extent of the problem.
      The bubble doesn't exist in Montana.

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    4. Nothing much exists in Montana. The place is empty.

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  5. I think the point here is that Sacramento is mandating that cities increase the population density when we should be looking at sustainability of our existing infrastructure. Reason the roads are so crowded is because apartments, condos and mixed use housing is not sustainable. True that more people means more TAX money but that comes at a price to native residents. Some of these residents are 4 to 6 generations here. If you want low income housing numbers to go up just drive through the neighborhood and identify the homes of the elderly fixed income people, there's your low income housing. We don't do that, instead we build high density structures that further crowds the streets and then blame the people and provide no intelligent decisions or support to the locals.

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  6. Alameda Corridor, designed specifically to carry cargo from the ports, is way under capacity and needs the business from port traffic. If the import/export businesses used this system rather than flooding our public freeways with diesel trucks that pollute the region, it would go a long way towards improving the movement of cargo traffic. Then the freeways would also be available for the auto traffic use that has been paid for by our taxes, not the trucking industry. The 710 Tunnel was an attempt by the industry to get folks in the region to carry their costs, and fortunately people woke up to that fact.

    The Alameda corridor is at 25 percent capacity now, moving about 2.3 million 40 foot-cargo boxes filled with televisions, shoes, apparel and other consumer goods every year. But it would need to more than double that by 2035 to cover most of its debt.

    http://www.presstelegram.com/general-news/20160924/alameda-corridor-dream-becomes-financial-nightmare-for-los-angeles-and-long-beach-ports

    The map is here

    https://www.up.com/cs/groups/public/documents/up_pdf_nativedocs/pdf_alameda_up_maps.pdf

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  7. The answer to the 710 problem is an over head monorail system. Trucks people and emergency supplies could all be moved on a monorail system that could be a pollution free solar supported electrical system. I wonder if such a system was ever offered and why a design like that would not be considered? Anyone seen such a plan? Maybe we should design one for the people???

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    1. Disney has had monorails at their theme parks for decades. Millions have ridden them. It is a proven technology.

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    2. We need a futurama

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    3. Where the Jetsons live would be cool.

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  8. To 6:28 After you get to the 210/134 clog there is a connection to the 210 south until you are off onto surface streets of California or Del Mar. For this short duration the traffic eases until the stop lights at those street off ramps. The real clog up would not be changed by extending the 710 through the south. We have all had auto slolom in all that traffic that is made crazy worse by the fact there is an off ramp for Fair Oaks south to contend with as you are working your way to either 210 west with people staying over for the 134 lanes to make it around the mess and then jump in for the 210 west. None of that would change with the extention of the 710.

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  9. The main reason for the hole in the mountains is to create more union paying jobs .. more pensions,, more cadallic health insurance plans and more smog / cancer

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    1. Cry cry cry

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    2. More 'cadallics'...

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  10. Back to yesterday's request for European headlines re Trumps visit: Der Speigel #1 German Magazine (also on line) "In real life, an immature boy sits on the throne of the most important country in the world. He could, at any time, issue a catastrophic order that would immediately be carried out. That is why the parents cannot afford to take their eyes off him even for a second. They cannot succumb to exhaustion because he is so taxing. They ultimately have to send him to his room - and return power to the grownups."

    Today Trump stood in front of the memorial to the 9/11 attacks and made no mention at all of the support of the world for the US during that tragedy. Our allies are stunned over the behavior of this "leader" of the Free World.

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  11. 10:36am.The reason for the hole in the mountains was to place an enormous fan to draw out the smog from LA, next on SCAG'S lists of bone headed designs.

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  12. Let's build out the 710 to the edge of South Pasadena and dump the traffic there. Problem solved.

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    1. Is your name really Spicy Wasabi?

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    2. South Pas has been a marvel of citizen involvement and success. Good for them!

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  13. Sounds good too me @ 3:11pm.

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  14. Monorail, light rail...neither would solve any traffic problem. Where would people park their car at either end to use such a system, and then when they got to the other end of the gap, how would they continue their commute (since they left their car at the other end of the gap)?

    What has been lost in all the hysteria over the tunnel is the fact that trucks would not be allowed to use it—only passenger cars. The trucks would continue to use whatever routes they use now. It is the commuters who are being shafted by all this.

    But, CalTrans might just decide to build the tunnel anyway, using the outrageous new gas taxes and license fees the legislature just awarded us.

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  15. Recall the political hack that voted in the new outrageous gas tax and license fees, I heard he was from Orange County. Then the California legislatures will come up short on passing the needed votes required to further stick it to us tax payers.

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  16. 4:41,, consider the ridiculous cost, think of the unfortunates in the tunnel when a earthquake hits and how about putting some effort into not having Sacramento dictating how many people are crammed into an acre of land. Bottom line 4:41 is Sacramento is trying to make you get rid of your car, they don't want you driving they want you riding. This process will take so long that it probably will not effect you. IGM generation maybe?

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  17. The Tunnels are not totally lost just a small set back, tunnels are the only way to shift vehicle traffic off of city streets and back along freeways. Trucks can travel in separate tunnels.

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    1. Sure. Whatever you say.

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  18. Oh my gosh, we have another 10:44 - Trump supporter in our midst, which Russian company are you working for?

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